Por qué el tenis de mesa crea mejores manos para el pickleball | Patricio Pereyra

0:00Good afternoon, my dear residents. Today we are very excited, mainly because it is our first episode where we have a guest, a very special guest. Patrick, welcome. Thank you, it's a pleasure to have you here. Well, look, I'll tell you a little bit about Patricio, about my experience. Patricio is one of the best players in the area, and the most important reason we 're inviting him today is so he can tell us about his

0:27experience as a high- performance ping pong and table tennis player, and how he's managed to transfer all that knowledge to Pickel Ball, which has undoubtedly made him one of the best players in Tampa. So, welcome Pato, tell us a little bit about your story. Relaxed. You're home. Thank you. This is family. You guys are great friends of mine from years ago, a long time ago, so it doesn't feel comfortable, it feels good to be

0:58here. The way I started, you said table tennis or both. Table tennis. Table tennis. It was my third paddle sport and I started with a sport that I know is a South American sport that exists in some parts of Europe and here I think it doesn't exist. It's called Frontón. Uh, it was my second sport overall, my first paddle sport. I was a karateka. That's where I started playing pelota. My mom always encouraged me to pursue

1:35sports, and I was very good at them. I started playing pelota at around 6, 5, and 6 years old, and most of the people around me were older, and I was doing well . I started playing tournaments at 6, 7, 8, and 9 years old, and around age 9 I became the national champion in Peru, where I come from, in the Under 13 category. Under 13 and 13 younger. Juvenile. Uh-huh. And in the under 15 I

2:07came in third, something like that. This guy would call me immediately because, well, he was always there morning, noon, and night on the courts at the Club Internacional Arequipa, where I come from, I promote. This guy from Peru, my mom at that moment said to the coach, "Hey, so, what's the next step here, where are we going? What's the next move?" So, where are we headed? And yes, well, I mean, Fronton has been a

2:39sport that has not been able to expand worldwide, very far from the Olympics, there are no Olympics even today, I don't follow Fronton that much anymore, but I think there are no Pan American Fronton Games. I think he was included for a year and then I don't know what happened, he wasn't there, they didn't continue, there wasn't an overall consistency of the sport in pushing forward with all of them. This one, there are no

3:08South American championships, there are no teams from Argentina, Bolivia, I mean, there are, but it's more in an aspect that's not so much about the federation. Okay. And sorry to interrupt, but we have residents from all over Latin America and Spain. By pelota, do you mean the kind you play against a wall with your hand, or do you play with a racket? With a palette knife. One that's played with two, uh, like a tennis racket with

3:36the, what's the word? Strings. With the ropes, but double, right? Double rope. No, double. Yes. The palette is like this, hold it like this, and it's made of wood. Ah, made of wood. And it's more like that up and it goes next to the top. Okay. And the handle can be like this or it can be with a duck's tail, which they also say is like this and on the side. Ah, so it's the way you

4:01feel, the more you make the grip there . Uh-huh. That's where it takes hold. Then there was a bit of " You know Carlos likes the duck hold, [laughs]

4:16right?" Yes. Not here, we don't do it here. Here, we are all one. [laughs] Let's move forward. Yes, yes. There was technology surrounding the sport with the ball; there was also a blue ball and a black ball. It seems that you have to inflate the black ball . So there were restrictions that meant it wasn't a standard all around the sport. So, sometimes there was the black ball that would inflate

4:52a lot, sometimes a little. So, it seems to me that those were some of the main restrictions that prevented the sport from fully moving forward . It's like something we've been through here with Dura, uh, Franklin, now Lifetime, Balls, which is what they're going through. So, from there I studied at a school, well, I played a little tennis for a year and a half, whatever, I did very well, I

5:17liked it, but I never went, I was never there. so, that is, for a time in another club. The same year I entered this school of mine, which was a German school in Peru, it seemed humble, it was called Maxule. They bought about 10 tables, this is the first one there to start playing. And the coach we had at that time said, "Okay, you have these skills. You should come play with us on the club team."

5:56So, once I joined the club team and started playing, well, the rest of the story... I mean, at 3 years old I started playing for Peru. I went to different tournaments. My first Latin American tournament was in Cuba. I came in second in all of Latin America in the Under 13 category. I think I was 12 or 13 years old, possibly. And I also went to play in Argentina several times, in

6:28South American championships. I mean, I always managed to be one of my best achievements, I would say, to be able to go out and represent your country in some way, where you're there singing the anthem. I mean, that really excites me, and that's where I developed a bit more in terms of discipline, training, consistency, saying no to friends a lot, missing several parties and such. The other thing is to train full-time .

7:11And yes, I made it to several American tournaments, several Latin American and Ibero-American tournaments, and that's when, well, I played in the second Bundesliga in Germany, which is the highest level I've been able to play. There are people there who, I mean, I played in the top tier of the second Bundesliga. The first tier is, well, they're all obviously sponsored, obviously just living off table tennis, playing the world tour. They can be

7:51in Rio de Janeiro, South Korea, the Netherlands, anywhere, all over the world. They play it all over the world. And of course, it's a very, very high level, where training is five or six times a day. I went to train in Hanover in '96, where I had a team that trained seven times a day, man, I mean, seven times a day, and I'd go in for the second or third training session

8:18and it was 10 in the morning. And forgive my ignorance, but I imagine that the Even though it 's such a small court, they also have to do a lot of footwork, right? Gym work, right? I mean, because they're incredibly fast, really. I mean, if you watch the professional rallies, they're almost playing 5 meters behind and they're still running. So, the training is like that of a high-performance athlete, I imagine, right? Definitely, definitely. The

8:44higher you go, the more you realize it. Oh, look at those Chinese guys up there, they have such huge legs, I mean, yeah, and they do n't have a very high level of physical conditioning, right? They ca n't afford any luxuries, right? Not at all. I mean, it's quite a lot, and you'd say that being a little shorter gives you advantages in table tennis compared to, for example,

9:13basketball, where you have to be 2 meters tall to have a chance of playing in the NBA. Do you think there's a correlation with that or not? Definitely related, I mean, obviously in basketball being taller definitely helps, but there are a certain number of tall players. Okay. Um, right now about five names are popping into my head . The Russian Vladimir Sansonov, who's obviously a meter tall, who suddenly... and of

9:45course you see the Chinese guy running from right to left, but putting all the balls on the table, and the other one controlling, controlling, attacking, but not without moving much, you know what I mean? So, if you have that body coordination of how to move at that height, if you play, you don't have to take so many steps, you can reach with your tongue. Okay. Because I feel that in pickel

10:12ball there does reach a point where if you 're very tall, obviously you can pick up a lot of balls in the kitchen, but once they make you link up, it does become difficult. I mean, I think being so tall in pickel ball can cause something, well, a little more negative, something positive, being so tall in pickel, longevity, because bending down so much, even if they want to get down on their knees,

10:35and I mean, when I have students who are over 50 and tall, they all walk like that. Yes, of course, yes, of course. Sure. The back. Yes. I heard it recently in Pico, I think it was, I don't remember who said it, but there's a switch regarding H that someone like Fede or Patrickin can have, I think they're not that tall, not that tall, not like a C 5 10 51 something like that. Yeah,

11:07no, you're still very small. [laughs] No, you're very small. Me too. I'm just an inch short , a little touch, to reach the perfect height to play P. The problem is that I don't move. [laughs] But honestly, I mean, I see it, for example, just now when I played with my partner Villa, greetings to Villa who also comes from a high level of hatred, they already hate each other. Aras is small, I mean, he's

11:31tiny and he moves very fast. His name is Ricardo Villa. He doesn't play ping pong anymore. Now I think he's the director of a high-performance table tennis club in Mexico, but he's playing ping pong and he played well. I think I think he played in the Pan American Games in ping pong. In ping pong, I mean, he was a very good rival. [laughs] They hate each other, but I mean, cheap, no problem. [laughs]

11:56But he's big, I mean, you know, how tall would you say he is? 5 C. Yes, more or less. And he moves really fast, really fast. He's a Y, I mean, he covers like he's 1.90 meters tall because of how fast he moves. For the people from Choroní, 55 is like 165, 162, like Messi, more or less. Messi's size , something similar. He's Barajenon's size. Yes. And okay, so [laughs] after

12:24that, when did you find out that the B-level competition existed? Exactly. So I start playing table tennis, well, ah, I go back to Germany, I'm training and everything, and with a call, well, what do we do, Juón? Okay, but when, when do we have you guys in Germany? In I was in Germany for about a year and a bit, really? Yes. And exclusively for separated students. Separated three times here, and helped by the school or separately.

12:53The thing is, Germany is a world power in table tennis. Not much is known about it after China for a long time. After China, it's been Germany. After China, Japan, Germany. Or China, Japan, South Korea, Germany. I mean, Germany has always been there, and there have been many times when Germany has beaten Japan, South Korea, everyone. And well, then I came back, and with my mom, we started talking about the

13:22topic of, well, are you going to study? Are you going to go pro, or what's going on ? Well, I hadn't planned to come to the United States, it wasn't in my plans, it wasn't, it had been a fourth or fifth option. I was thinking of going to Europe or even a different country, I don't know, I didn't know at that moment, I wasn't very clear. And then I get a letter from

13:47a coach in One from Lindem University where I had an anecdote with him that years later on a court we realized we went to the same university, different campuses, same university. Um, greetings to the people of Stan Charles. Yes, people of St. Charles there. Um, and well, I had to learn English, but I knew German, but not English. I had an advisor that my family hired and a great friend of mine, he

14:17taught me English, I passed the TOFE, uh, they gave me a lot of scholarships and almost full ride, so there was no competition for ping pong. For ping pong, yes, we had a strong team, but it's a club league, it wasn't a league of... or was it Naya? It was Naya, of course, no, but Naya. Ah, yes, yes, yes. So, I mean, we weren't those sports, they don't fall into what is

14:44soccer, volleyball, tennis. They don't fall into that, but they fall into what is Naya, but it's its own league. I also played golf, right? Yes. Uh-huh. We play against, we play, we have national table tennis, we had poor people, don't know that, don't worry. Yes, poor people don't go to university, tell us a little bit about the [laughs].

15:26I'll summarize it for you. The NCAA is the National Collegiate Athletic Association, at the advanced level, and the advanced level is divided into Division I, Division II, and Division III. Division I, more than being advanced, is based on how many students a university has. I think it has to have more than 30,000 or something like that, right? To be considered, and the advantages are that a Division I university can give you 100% scholarships for being athletic.

15:37Okay. Okay. Division II can give you a mix of academic and athletic scholarships, and Division III can only give you academic scholarships. Academic. And the NIA, which you say is like, is like, is like a DRE, but it's for small private universities. Okay. Yes. Yes. So there you have it, good summary. There it is. It's good. It's good. I like it. I think I'll start to study. I think I'm going to start studying again. [laughs]

16:05And it was in San Charles where you started playing table tennis. Mm, right. I started playing table tennis because of the university, I played tournaments. The first year I think we came in second nationally, which is third nationally in doubles with a Japanese- Brazilian friend, Fernando de Masado, a great friend of mine. Greetings. Our team was very strong. I was like, I was in first or second place on the team. By

16:33that point in my career, you realize that you're not playing competitively anymore , you know? You reach a point where you have to study, you have to do this. It's incredibly difficult to become a professional. We have a couple from India, a guy from India, several from Brazil, several Americans, Trinidad and Tobago, I think there's an Argentinian somewhere, a lot, a lot. I'm another Peruvian, I graduate from university and I say,

17:06well, I'm going to try to be at the gym and I wanted to spend some time on sports because with table tennis I'd like to get more involved in coaching, not so much playing myself. A friend who had recorded me—I was already recorded—told me, "Hey, I think you'll like this sport." An Ecuadorian friend on the team. I told him, "No, several times, no, I'm ready, not anymore, let's go have a beer." Yes, play a

17:44paddle sport again. Yes, I had heard of padel, but padel doesn't really appeal to me . Well, until the fifth or sixth time he took me there, to Forest Park, another park around there with six courts. Clayton, uh, near Clayton, Ledu, near, I think it's in University Park. Near University Park, yes. Uh, I'm forgetting the name. I arrived, I played, I did n't stop playing, I mean, I started playing every day.

18:25You played Pico, in San Luis. Stan Lis, yes, right? In San Luis. I started playing That's where I started, I went for it, and my first tournament was the I Never Played for Five F, F, F. I went pro to see if I'd get destroyed and it was no big deal. I'd already been in St. Louis for seven years and I thought, what about moving to the coast? Most people had left too.

18:55And a company called Robin Hood in Orlando hired me. Everyone in St. Louis told me, "Look, if you go to Florida you can play tournaments there every weekend if you want." The PPA didn't exist. The MVP existed, I think, I believe. There was a lady, Lucy Kitchner, who organized her own tournaments and I played in several of them. I moved to Orlando and in Orlando I started playing a bit more too. I

19:24became a coach at Clear One Sport Center, right? Yes, I was a table tennis coach, for real. I joined a Vietnamese community. Uh-huh. Many, many years, 2019. This is the story of the rivalry around here. It's like one of the less prestigious places, but kind of Not too rigorous, what's the word? Like, older places in Orlando, everyone knows where Crew One is, because it used to be a badminton complex, right? They still have badminton courts there,

20:03but yeah, it's known for being one of the best places at the advanced level, and I can personally say that the best coach I've ever met in the history of pickerball, Tony G, trains there, he teaches there, and it's rumored that a lot of top pros come to take classes with him. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely had a good mix there because when I arrived at that indoor facility, Henry Winart was there,

20:42who was dedicated to badminton, and Henry was a national badminton player for Thailand. He's from... oh sorry, I don't see your country. Vietnam, Malaysia. Yeah, an Asian country, like South Korea. South Korea somewhere around there. And Tony was the tennis coach for UFC, for UCF UCF and I did pickable coaching. They had about 12 nice ping pong tables. And there was a guy who coached. I started coaching there, and I started coaching

21:28both because I was doing well playing P. Even Johnny Pandang Anders came to do an exhibition there, which I did [laughs] with him a while ago, a really long time ago. And well, when I realized that I liked it and that I did play, that's when I started getting into PPAs and that's where I started playing, I started playing at a higher level, kind of browsing and wanting to get out more and more and more, I

21:52mean, what else is there? So, you went straight to the pros, and at that time there were qualifiers or you went straight into Mindro. Uh, there weren't qualifiers. There weren't qualifiers. You went into Main Raw. You went into MainW. There weren't enough . Yeah, well, there weren't enough, but of course, I mean, it wasn't that popular either. There were losers bracket. Losers bracket. And you could actually go all the way up to first place,

22:23beat the first place twice. So it was a double- elimination format. Double-dipping elimination. And yeah, I got in there from the start. Uh, okay. Who did you play with? Well, at that time at Clear One, well, at the local Clear One, I played with a guy named Dylan. Dylan, a tennis player. Six feet tall, well, he played, but, well, uh, his wife was Puerto Rican, five kids going around. He didn't have

22:58much time, young, but not too busy. When I started going out, I played with people like, with Johnny, it was like, Andrew, it was with Megan. Uh, I'm forgetting her last name, Megan, a redhead. Yeah, I know who she is. Uh, what's her name? She has like a YouTube page. Maybe so. Yeah, she's in Boca, I imagine. She was my first PPA, I had her from the start, and I agreed to play Mixed Doubles

23:31with her in Newport Beach, in California. California. I went Orlando, I went there to play blindfolded with someone, with her, and men's doubles I think I played with Austin Griley. Oh, great. I think it was with Austin Griley. Yes. And we lost, I think, in the quarterfinals against Weinbach and Jates and K. Who was talking the most trash in that match? Everyone in that match because everyone is a trash talker. Trash

24:10talker. Austin Griley and David W. Yeah. Austin. Austin changed. Austin didn't talk at that moment. It's like, he was pretty intense, but imagine, the quietest of those four, of course, was me. But Austin at that moment, no, I mean, he was also playing Provision. Right, with Jades. Yes, uh, he was the one who talked the most. But surprisingly, in that match , things were, I think there were a couple of elbows thrown , but uh, things

24:44stayed calm, calm, I think so. Yes, this was with Johnny, it was with him, and well, we've had good results. I played with Johnny when I lived in Orlando, I saw him Tampa, I played a PP that they held at the CC. I remember. Wow. At HCU they held a PPA that was a disaster. It was a disaster. It was a disaster. Yes. Simone played it. Ben Yes, yes. I've seen some videos on YouTube. Yes.

25:15Uh, we beat Escarpa and Dao. We beat them. Um, I did n't play mixed doubles. Uh, a few more, um, good results, a couple of good doubles matches there too. And yes, well, I mean, and of course, from New Beach, I played Vegas, I also played Tampa, I played like two or three more big BPA tournaments and then I put table tennis on hold for a while. For a while. Yes, of course. I

25:50never imagined that a paddle sport was going to take me away from table tennis. Never. Yes, I did n't think so, I didn't think so, it wasn't my vision, I didn't think that was going to happen and then, well, PB came along and it happened. I mean, and what was the reason why Which was like, oh look, we're going to travel around the United States playing pickerball? Uh,

26:09how much were the prizes and how much was the entry fee, remember? The entry fee, yeah, more or less. The entry fee was much cheaper. 300 for a division right now. Wow! 300 for a division. This is complicated. That's a rip-off. That's a rip-off because back then they practically gave it away. Sol wanted to. Sure, sure. I have direct messages with Pardó. Wow. With the CEO. Yes. Coo Pardó. With... Uh-

26:35huh. With Coo Pardó. I, I mean, I do n't remember exactly, but I told him, "Hey, um, [laughs] if you can find me a partner, um, because this is me, the game, and I'm traveling from here to there." Sure, I was thinking it was going to be like, well, after he played a game, he approached me at some point, he came up to us and said, "Hey, if you have any feedback on how

26:59we're running the tournament, what's it like?" This is the second or third PPA ever." In Las Vegas, I think it was Las Vegas. Yes. Um, if you have something you want to tell us, please, uh, the doors are open and everything, right? Of course. Um, Don Stanley, Don is like , you know? Ah, Don St is the GF of the PPA. The GF of the PPA, right. Uh-huh. Now, to get to ask

27:32these people a question, you have to go through one, two, three barriers and, well, ask nicely and this and, well, 300, yes, it's complicated. It might have been 150, maybe 450, 500, everything if I played all three, I think, like, you like some number like that, and they were in charge of the hotels—I do n't know if they still do it—the closest hotel from here, for example, if we do a

27:59PPA from here, that gives you a 50% or 70% discount. I don't know if they do it now, but they were in charge of that too. They were in charge of, of course, maintaining that satisfaction for the athlete, on whom they depended quite a bit, and still do. It's something that today, even though we see it as so big, is far from being saturated. Even in the United States. Uh, some time ago there was this

28:29mix of MP, and that's when you realize when there are people who have this loyalty, but there are other people who, of course, you understand that being a professional athlete depends a lot on money. Money talks, so you have to leave and see what's best for you, well, no. But yes, at that time things were that way. It was much more approachable that way. So, any questions you have for Patricia? Did you play against Tyson?

29:06I played against Tyson. You beat me 11-4, 11-6, 11-5, 11-6, something like that . [laughs] For him, for him, for him, for him. Um, I used my four strides, um, I celebrated quite a bit in my quarter Time, uh, because, I mean, nowadays we know, I mean, we know Tyson as what he is now, but back then Tyson was known as the machine he was as a player. And in the third and fourth quarters, I

29:44jokingly told him, "Look, ah, I'm going to use one more because I can," I said, "because I have it and I can." And he said, "Use the mod, the mod." I have a picture there with him that someone took of me, and of course, that was in 2021, more or less. So, you played professionally for three years. Two years, I'd say. . Yes. And how many times did you travel, more or less?

30:11Uh, I think about 10 times, 10, 12 times possibly. I played against what other match that we should have also played. I played against Coler. Color. And I don't remember who he was playing with. Thomas Wilson. Maybe, maybe so. No, I don't remember exactly, but I was playing with a Peruvian friend too, Ercilio. Greetings. Greetings. of the World Cup of the World Cup. What are you going to say? What are you going to say? [laughs]

30:46He's a good player. I've never seen him play. Yes. Well, he has a very good backhand slide. Okay. I haven't seen it. You have seen him play once. Yes, we played and well, we already had them on the ropes. We are already 14 13. We had match point to play against Ben and Colen and they came back and came back . We were there already and it slipped away from us a little. I even remember that

31:19game, we did have one or two refs, but the net wasn't fixed, the lines weren't set up, I mean, still, you know what I mean? Very informal. Yes, very astero. But hey, maybe this one wasn't that aggressive, right? Like it is now, for example. Aggressive in that it was more like building the point, more dinky weapon. Yes, of course, of course, of course. Yes, yes. It was another style of play as well.

31:50Another style of play. The game was a little slower, the ball didn't bounce as much, the point lasted a little longer. Drives did not exist. The drives, that is, they existed, but they weren't exactly the best option. There was no lethal drive, there wasn't someone like, as you know, Jack SC smashes the ball, right? There wasn't that O Dan Cens or Dan Cens, for example, was there? And with a shout too. The best friend of [laughs],

32:22right? Yes, thanks to us they are friends now, we are friends now. Yeah, yeah, [laughs] yeah. Since becoming a dad, so many things have been taken away from me. So, right now everything is love. Yes, yes. We must always keep the peace. Greetings, Dan. I love you, brother. Greetings to Mr. Cousens. [laughs]

32:42Well, and of course, there weren't those kinds of players, but there were, and that's something that suits me when it comes to the game, how it transfers from table tennis. I benefit from the touch, and I'm more of a touch player. Yes, I can do a normal drive, I'll do the drive and more because of what I have, I have some tennis and some fronton, but my thing is more touch the ball, that

33:06is, I have to touch, I have to go in and have more precision with my hand the way I play PW. And that's something that interests me a lot, since the four of us are coaches. How can you teach that touch to a beginner player? Because, I mean, I see you make a lot of shots, your shots are so difficult to execute that obviously you do them because you've hit millions

33:36of balls like that, you know what I mean? So how can you transfer that noja or that experience of yours to a beginner player who will obviously take years to learn? to feel the ball the way you feel it. Sure, sure. This, when I see a beginner player, there are levels like leveling up in your shot that you have. If the beginner has a foundation in their technique that does n't help them to walk, run, and

34:13move on to the next level. Regarding a specific short, I have to undo quite a few things, quite a few, trying to form its fundamental technique at the base. So once the fundamental technique is formed and it's clear how to execute the shot and hit the ball, repetitions, an incredible number of repetitions that wouldn't just be with me, it would be with friends on the robot, the Bow Machine, whatever, after repetitions and after not

34:56going back to Bad Habit. and form what are losses. We move on to applying that to Open Play, we move on to applying that to a Dernight, we apply that to a tournament and then you go from making a shot that seemed super foreign to a shot where you feel you can execute it thousands of thousands of times. So this, but first you start with the technique and that's where you start doing repetitions. That's

35:33great advice, brother, it really is . And now, because you told us about your experience, how you got in, obviously it was a different time and you were fortunate enough to qualify directly. So, you're recommending that a player who has, say, 6 or 8 months of hard training should have their first tournament be a pro qualifier? Because that's something I personally recommend to my advanced players, of whom I have few now, but perhaps it's because

36:02my mentality is a bit more honest and keeps them grounded. I feel that, in my opinion, if they can't win local tournaments or if they can't be among the best players in their city, or in a city, or in their surrounding area, it seems like a waste of money to spend $1,000 on a qualifier when, realistically, a good result would be winning a match, you know? So, what's

36:34your opinion now? Well, based on the fact that you as a player did it by going straight for it , but as a coach it can be different. Clear. That part is true, and it varies by region too, right? In other words, not winning a competitive tournament in our area often doesn't mean you won't make it to the main draw or even the quarterfinals in the end. Suddenly not quarterfinals, but suddenly

37:08out of 32, two rounds won, you understand? Suddenly a huge upset. This is based on the area now, if you're in Minneapolis and you can't even beat your neighbor, damn, get into another sport or find another way [laughs] to be born and find another alternative there, you know what I mean? But here there is that way, that way that because of the area where we were, if you go a little

37:38further south, like to Boca, uh, where there are more competitive players who are in the area and we're not talking about two or three, but 10 to 15 F plus, uh, some five to six six pluses, and another 20 F plus. Damn, it's, I mean, it's that, people learn, people, uh, it doesn't mean that if not constantly, well, yes, it is obviously beneficial for your self-confidence, for your confidence, so that your confidence in a

38:21serious tournament, like a PPA, where you're looking to do something more, to beat them consistently. Yes. But it's not black and white. Only in that specific case, this one, being a coach, has actually benefited me a little. I would say, this, because I give my classes, but I take off my shirt and coach's hat and start training myself right here on the same court. So, the day that after training I sit on the couch or stop

38:59putting effort into myself, yeah, that's where you see a little bit of results, that you suddenly start to not go down , but you reach a plateau suddenly or however you look at it, right? As for coaching, as for having the paddle in your hand constantly and doing reps on your own, uh, I'd say it helps. I would say it helps as long as you keep putting in a little bit of work inside the gym, outside,

39:32and you have the tournament reps. That's what was happening to Carlos, you see? You saw how fat he was getting [laughs] because he stopped playing. It's the truth. Carlos was playing really well, then suddenly he stopped, he played for a while and if you know Carlos, the man weighed 300 pounds, [laughs] I had to call him again, look, we're going to play the qualifier for Venezuela. Let's motivate you,

39:54damn it. Look, he just got back into it, he went to the gym, this hug, he did, look, you see, you're a different person now. Even my wife told me, "Look, Carlos looks good now." V. [laughs] Well, thanks to my coach, my coach from the national team who [laughs] said I was fat. The kid instead of saying "look at the hell," lower it a little. He says, damn it, Angelo, can you tell Carlos that

40:20damn it [laughs] he needs to get a little more, he needs to get thinner. [laughs] Sure, sure. But you tell him. Of course, it's not a recommendation from friends. So, but Patro, uh, Patricio, but you do consider that the ping pong player has a little bit of an advantage when it comes to getting into the game, I don't mean that he's going to play professionally, but when he steps onto

40:46the courts and realizes if he has the talent to play. Ping pong helps. Yes. And to add to that, when I see Patricio play, I have some anecdotes that I have some questions for later , but you are one of those players that I see and say, this kid on a good day can make it difficult for or beat any player on the PP tour and I think it's because of the ping

41:13pong thing, so you can answer the question about the kid who is here. [laughs] Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Uh, yes, you can play it to your advantage, you can play it a little against yourself. On the plus side, I definitely have an eye for accuracy, which works in my favor. Okay. Uh, I have an eye for the spin of the ball that definitely works in my favor. In other words, there are

41:48many high-level players who are in the PPA, who are under contract, who are, I mean, at some point they said, he has the ball, he has a lot of spending power, and of course, I come from this. Damn, bro. In other words, if I do this and that, the ball goes to the other side. So, this takes on a thousand times more rotation per minute, per second, whatever, which is what physics explains.

42:13Uh, I haven't been in it for a long time, but now that I play a lot more pall, of course, obviously I do see the spin that people are putting on it now. I understand now, do you understand me? But there was a time when I played at a high level where I didn't put two on two together. As for what spin are you talking about? In other words, we

42:37're giving him the ball, so it's a slightly bigger ball. I don't see the ball rotating much. I'm giving it to him. Yes, I see that you're giving it a little bit here, but just a little bit. I open it a little more like this. It's already up. If the same mechanism doesn't work, you have to think, you have to lower your body, raise your body, that is, you have to do

42:59much more, ten times more technical than the one the player uses. You can go in and look at those four over there, it's their fifth time playing and they're already playing, you understand? And they can already be playing a 3C four four four, right? Not in ping pong. In ping pong, it is quite critical in terms of who is better than who. Okay. Okay. Yes. I can't touch this one. It's

43:26an animal. Yes, this one. Anything goes here , right? Then it helps me more in that regard. Personally , I'd say it doesn't help much in terms of singles . Fortunately, pelota and tennis helped me a little. I played singles for a long time. In my Newport PPA I played against Mat, not in singles, it was my first match. My first game. I know which one it is. The first PPA game of my entire life,

44:10and I think it was his too, and I did well. I won 21, uh, and then I found out that he played tennis all his life. So there you see those two, uh, different sports. The contrast. Exact. Contrast. This, and that's more or less an equalizer, but in tennis, of course, tennis is more in terms of doubles, the touch helps me a lot when there are certain shots like this one

44:40here and this one here, especially this one here that I realized at a moment that yes, I mean, it's something that people can imitate, but I see it more clearly. Maybe you don't even see it, you feel it. And I'm sorry too. I feel like that's the difference, for example, and right now, part two of this video is going to give us some lessons on how much you need. Now, I

45:05taught you how to make that shot, [laughs] you forget, or so I do n't lose the idea, I think that's very true because you can see when you're playing that you always know where the shot is going, because I realize that. If you put me to drill with Carlos or if you put on a ball-throwing machine, maybe out of 100 flicks I might miss two, but the moment you put it on me in a game

45:30that I see, I mean, I don't know, it's like I freeze up and I don't know when I have to put my hand in, you know what I mean? Verses you. It's like you wait, I mean, you know when you want it. It's like a lot of people play against you, and that's the hardest thing about playing against you. We ca n't attack you because you're so good; you're always ready to

45:50counterattack, or if we leave you a high ball, you're always ready to attack. So I think that's where I personally believe your table tennis background makes a big difference , because it seems like you 're always one step ahead of that shot. Clear. A friend mentioned that he feels like I see the game in slow motion. Yes, like I see, I see the ball in slow motion and that's why I can constantly counterattack the attacks .

46:30Remember, this ball, if you see me warming up in Mesat tennis, it's the most striking part, the most striking in terms of, damn, how do you do that? Because we do it in the warm-up, like when you're hanging out with your friends, we start with "boom boom boom boom boom boom boom," and it's the easiest part for us because we've done it a million and a half times, and we're good at it. But someone else

46:59who comes from somewhere else and sees that says, "What? How do you do that?" Exact. And the same in reverse, and we do drills and all that. This, being so close and at such a speed, so fast. Yes, well, I mean , it's true. When I see someone who feels like banging, uh, my automatic reaction is like two steps forward, a little bit further ahead, so I can react more easily. In

47:36the denks too, when I try to leave the ball short in the ping pong, the net is like that. That's how the net is. So, I leave the ball short. When I leave it very short, very short, there is a huge difference in terms of the deng, which is a 1 meter, whatever the kitchen is and whatever the size of the net is, where it does give me a little more leverage, margin, success margin,

48:12error margin to be able to give it a little more. to be able to add a little more. The PIN doesn't give me that chance, it doesn't give me that chance. I mean, if I'm giving him a little more attention, it's noticeable, he [clears throat] leaves the table. So, if there are strategies in table tennis, like when I'm playing against someone who attacks a lot, I'd leave the ball

48:30short, which you see on the table, and not let the other person attack, just like in paddle tennis, right? Don't let go of the ball, don't have a popup so they don't attack me. So that's the side of it, that's table tennis, the sweet spot for table tennis in P. I've seen several tennis players who exaggerate some shots quite a bit . For example, I've tried playing like that several times and it helps me

48:58a lot, but for a pick for P with the la with the la, I mean, playing like that, right? With this here, I even think F plays like this, or I don't know who. So it helps, it helps, but playing like that from the baseline doesn't help. The baseline doesn't help; you lose all your power. Yes. This helps a lot with touch accuracy. It helps a lot in accuracy and reaction time as well.

49:25Clear. This is how Dawson played. Yes. And a machine like that. Uh, exactly. He had pretty good accuracy in his shots, but Rob Cer played like this, but for example Rob C in Claro, I mean, you play like this, but you don't have this, you don't have it, it's completely canceled. So that's where I wanted to make a difference in terms of making my normal grip. From time to time

49:53I do this, and from time to time, from time to time I do it, but this and yes I've been doing a development, I've been doing a work on this two-handed shot. in two hands, that's something foreign to you. Exact. And that's where the other part comes in, I mean, I imitate this and I give it my all and I, of course, I try to do it, but of course, it shows a

50:14little bit, I mean, I don't feel it, it's not mine, but it can be done. Lots of doll, lots of doll. Sometimes, in ping pong, you don't have to use too much wrist action because when I use a lot of wrist action in ping pong, it's to create rotation in the ball, to create a spin just like this: rotation, rotation, rotation. As I said, in the P the concept of spin rotation

50:43was very nonexistent for a long time, it didn't exist for me. So I'm not going to apply this unless I want to grab a ball way down low and want to bring it up and attack like even Josh does. Josh does it constantly. Yes. I also feel, for example, that players like Camden, who is one of our top players right now and is training hard to become a pro, sometimes his problem is that he exaggerates his

51:08shot so much that under pressure that shot breaks down, you know what I mean? Yes. So, because of wanting to exaggerate it so much, right? So, correct, correct, correct. Yes, that's a player who, going back to the question of winning the Moniballs and the professional tournaments, wins all the Moniballs, but when it comes to the professional tournaments, he doesn't do so well either. So there, I mean, I think it's going as it should be

51:33going at this moment. He's winning his first round, but he's struggling in the second . I mean, I think it's at that level, which in my opinion is that it's already around 6-0, but also, I mean, I think you can also help us with this. I think the level keeps rising. So, before you said that a 5-0 team had a chance to qualify. Realistically, if you 're not playing at level 60, you'll

51:57qualify if you get matched with two players who are just starting out. So, realistically speaking, the 6-0 score is the one that has a chance of qualifying at this point, at least in my opinion. Yes, the pool is getting deeper and deeper, there are more and more young people playing. And those kids do something that neither you nor I nor anyone who started playing ping pong as an old man can do, like they have

52:29shots when I see them, and you can see it in singles, they have shots or the way they know the court is completely different from how we are adapted to the court, well, I come from tennis, you have ping pong and it's like there's little we assimilate, those kids are growing up on the court of Pob, so that makes everything look completely, very, very familiar to them. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yes I

52:57understand. Clear. This is the no howow. Clear. In other words, they are not making a transfer after playing a sport for 15 years. They're not doing it right now, and at the best of times for PB here, right? Uh, they do some shots, yeah. The one who takes more risk, takes more risk. Pull the trigger soon. They do different things that make you say, "Where did that come from?" No, they reach the balls, uh, comfortably, uh,

53:31they're in whatever round number it is and they 're not tired. Uh-huh. Uh, that's what several people lack, what several people lack, and I was, I sometimes sinned from that too, even in table tennis, not so much in PB, in P, I already reached maturity. It's about brains; many lack brains when it comes to maintaining a little discipline, being a little more stoic, more on the field. It's a

54:00topic that, well, P is a little, in my opinion, not a gentleman. Nothing, huh, you have nothing to eat, brother. You do this to the table and the coach is giving you a yellow card. I believe that's how it should be in the future . I think right now it's mostly because they want to do it as a show. Here, here I come with a hot

54:22take just the way I like it. Just the way I like it . And she loves it. He's seeing that if you're going to speak out, if we ever get cancelled, it's because of this man. But, but we're going to fire him; we disassociate ourselves from the comment he makes. [laughs] Listen, it scares me when he comes with the hotline, [laughs] a hotline, you know. Look, look,

54:48if you're going to do this in Pigo, we're going to accept that we're going to talk [ __ ] now. If someone is going to talk to me, you have to be prepared to get a hard time after the game. [laughs] That's right . Well, look, look, in what sport or in what aspect of life are you going to talk [ __ ] and there are no consequences? 100%. Of course,

55:11it's because you'll never be a professional. Listen like, tell me, look, [laughs] you're going to be walking down the street and you say, look, you're stupid or you say something to a woman, you're one, you think they're not going to do anything to you, or at work they fire you and because in the game it has to be accepted that you, oh, that it's the sport or it's only on the court. Things are

55:29a little crazy on the courts here, okay? But yes, yes, no, it's not, you're not very... let you become a father so you can see how all that fury, that fury you feel, that won't let you care anymore. But no, you're right, part of what I thought was that, for example, I just found out that it's also part of the game in professional thrones that if you can yell at him,

55:52for me it seems like a lack of respect, honestly, at a professional level, at an amateur level. Well, or with your friends. Exact. Yes, yes, well, that's your personality, but on a professional level I do think they should put a stop to it now, because this sport is becoming more and more popular, and not only here in the United States, it's much more popular around the world as well. So, if we're going to instill respect in

56:16people from the beginning, I mean, to instill respect on the field, I think we should start with those at the top, right? Like you said, I mean, some bad words, a warning, something. On the second try, look, one point less. I think there's already something there too, don't you? Uh, but it's an L, I mean, it's an extreme, you know? When suddenly, when it was already done, when everything looked bad,

56:37you know? Yes, then it's too late. At least in the professional sector, you know what I mean? Because for those of them, some of them have contracts, and they get paid good money too. That's your job. Imagine, I don't do whatever I want, nor do I go around yelling at people like, ' Take it and swallow that point and enjoy it.' No, because you have to set an example, right? They are the same. They are

57:03employees of a company. That's what I see from that part. But when we play like that among ourselves, that's one of the reasons why Dan and I... that's a fight I have personally. I mean, neither of them knows that I'm mad at him, but it's because of that, because Dan has a personality when it comes to playing that takes me out of my game. I forget to play and all I want to do is

57:28hit him with the ball. Sure, [clears throat] sure, sure. But after the game is over, I'm like, that's it let's just be friends. Something that I don't think Carlos would do, no. Carlos finishes and leaves the street and wants to continue the fight outside. [laughs] You know? That's why he'll never be a professional. Hey guys, why don't we have this video there so this kid can teach us the famous flick? It

57:50seems to me that you, you all, need it, you see? The flick. No, personally [laughs] if you teach me Flick I'll beat everyone. What I wanted to add to what you were saying is to close. Well, I'm a bit old-fashioned in that respect. You can celebrate whatever you want in someone's face, and what's more, the fact that people get irritated by a bodyback seems to me the most beta thing that can exist. I mean, [laughs]

58:25people, but you're giving me a hard time, right? Bro, we're just playing around and yeah, it's more like, sometimes it's like, you know? You have to make a commitment. I have a strategic 63 fat previous that I'm going to grab the piñata, brother. [laughs] There several times, I mean, it's part of it and yes I want to give it to you, obviously I don't want to break you or do anything to you, but I do

58:52n't want to hurt you, but it's strategic. It's strategic. And the chen, of course, exists in the pig ball at every level. My point was that if you're going to charge me $300 just to get to one division, you need to start developing the technology with the cameras, not just for finals and semifinals. It starts to expand, it starts to expand into quarters, it starts to expire and from there, I mean, we're talking about

59:24many, many years from now on. It could be this even in the five, that is, to cover more, you understand? Because there's an investment there that they're obviously making , but the whole celebrating thing, yes, on that side, between MS P tennis, they can't handle it. I got a couple of red cards when I was more of a teenager, and well, that's where I learned, I stayed. They haven't seen a damn thing now.

1:00:00I'm calm, the most I've got it, Vale, great, great. But anyway, let's go to the court then. Go ahead, go ahead, perfect. Thanks, guys. Good, good start.